Thanks. Will there be a better way in the future. I don't want a traffic cad tech messing with Civil tools but they need our linework. I would think having a copy command that strips the Civil features out would be extremely beneficial for a lot of people
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RE: SS4 Geopak - Not able to copy Civil elements
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SS4 Geopak - Not able to copy Civil elements
Just curious if that is intended behavior of the program, - when trying to copy a Civil element in SS4 Geopak nothing happens and "Element type not valid for the tool" is displayed on the bottom.
I know we could do that in SS3, it would just paste the element as a simple Microstation linework.
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RE: [OR] Do any Profile creation tools allow creation based upon a perpendicular measurement from a reference element?
[quote user="caddcop"]When I trued to define a profile for that 2D line based upon the back of curb and my needed cross slope, the zigs and zags of the curb make that profile look "lumpy" because the slope is calculated perpendicular to the curb, instead of the actual road profile.[/quote]
Which tool did you use to make the projection? As I said, some of them project perpendicular from the source, and some project perpendicular to the target. Try using a different tool, or a different option on the same tool. (I think Project Profile To Element projects perpendicular to the target, and that sounds like it's what you want. I think Project Profile Range To Element does the same, over an interval.)
In case nothing else works, consider projecting the whole element wholesale and where the projection is lumpy, project the parallel segments separately (over appropriate ranges) and connect the points.
[quote user="caddcop"]My alternative approach is to make a dummy profile for the 2D line and create a sidewalk only template that ties its horizontal location to the 2D line and actually gets its vertical component from a slope constrain to the far edge. And the far edge of the sidewalk uses the back of curb as its Horizontal and Vertical control. The resulting corridor will be constructed perpendicular from my 2D line and the slope of the sidewalk will be from the back of curb at my needed slope to some elevation at a point along my 2D line.[/quote]
Interesting. It's a little difficult to parse what you're saying here, but at the risk of being entirely redundant, consider setting up a point within your sidewalk-only template to represent your centerline (or whatever element you want your profile along). This point need not belong to a component, but it should be locked by vertical (or slope, as may be appropriate) to your sidewalk point. Then use a point control to peg horizontal only to match your centerline. Then project that new linear feature's profile to your actual centerline.
I just realized that what I was suggesting is exactly what you get when you project perpendicular to the sidewalk instead of perpendicular to the centerline. On the other hand, if you rearrange what I said there, where you have the corridor based on your centerline, and establish the lateral and vertical position in whatever way makes sense, then you could project that (using a point within your template) to the centerline and have your profile that way. I hope that makes sense.
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[OR] Do any Profile creation tools allow creation based upon a perpendicular measurement from a reference element?
In Ss2 and Earlier, and in Ss4, the Surface editing tools allow you to project a sloped surface from one element while basing the slope as measured perpendicular from a different element. Is there any tool in Ss4 / Open Roads that allows a similar process using the profile tools?
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RE: Convert to SS4 from SS2
Derek,
Thanks for taking the time to speak with me. I have begun the process as you describe. What I have managed to get done so far is importing the tin files into SS4 (combined these from two other projects) to create my terrian. Created the mainline, side road and entrance alignments; created the PGL; created the corridor with entrances, side roads, and walls; created P&P sheets; and have created cross sections sheets with these items. I am in the process of trying to figure out how to get the existing pavement, sewers and utilities into the cross sections. I did manage to get the property and easements to automate with this process.
Thanks for taking the time to speak with me. I have begun the process as you describe. What I have managed to get done so far is importing the tin files into SS4 (combined these from two other projects) to create my terrian. Created the mainline, side road and entrance alignments; created the PGL; created the corridor with entrances, side roads, and walls; created P&P sheets; and have created cross sections sheets with these items. I am in the process of trying to figure out how to get the existing pavement, sewers and utilities into the cross sections. I did manage to get the property and easements to automate with this process.
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Junction Grading PowerGeopak SS4
I have a junction to be design on PowerGeopak SS4, I already created the elements and terrain model however i noticed when adding breakline elements and hovering to the elements it will hold for a while and its difficult to locate the breakline elements. 
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RE: Convert to SS4 from SS2
To get existing pavement in the cross sections: do you want to simulate a model of existing pavement within the cross section or just label each edge? If you want to simulate a model of it (knowing or not knowing the pavement thickness and stuff), you can approximate it by approaching it like a milling from existing surface. Not sure how I can explain it any better than that.
For everything else, I would consider modeling them as well. It sounds like you have the elevations of each run of utilities. If so, you can model each one with a "corridor model" or "linear template drop" with the profile of the utility. Lacking anything better, you could render each utility as a pipe (small pipe, for some utilities, etc.).
Past that, like I said before: you just have to think about what you need, and figure out some way or another to get that result.
For everything else, I would consider modeling them as well. It sounds like you have the elevations of each run of utilities. If so, you can model each one with a "corridor model" or "linear template drop" with the profile of the utility. Lacking anything better, you could render each utility as a pipe (small pipe, for some utilities, etc.).
Past that, like I said before: you just have to think about what you need, and figure out some way or another to get that result.
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Problems using the Plan/Profile Generator with PowerRailtrack (SELECTSeries 4)
Hi all:
Just wondering if there has been any problems reported when using the Plan/Profile Generator within Power Railtrack (SELECTSeries 4)? The problem I'm encountering is that the generator crashes after I have loaded my geometry project, dtm, and xin files. The only way I have managed to get it to work is to create a new geometry project, and copy into it the geometry from the original geometry project. Once I do that , I can then run the generator as normal.
The weird part is, if I then try and run the generator again using the original geometry project, it then works.
Has anyone else see this before, or is this a known bug. If it isn't a bug, is there another reason why it does this?
Regards
Paul Tonkin
Power Railtrack (SELECTSeries 4) Build No. 08.11.09.872
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RE: Geopak Roadway Designer - Special Profile not always found, what's up with that?
Are you certain that the target profile is continuous?
I ask this because there have been times I've seen a profile and the visual representation *looked* continuous, but what really happened is that it jumped forward and backward because there were skips in the constituent member elements. To confirm that it is continuous, look at the actual profile report and take note of the stations throughout.
It is also worth looking at the dynamic cross section, where you should be able to see the target element at that element's profile elevation. See if anything strange happens at the break. If nothing strange happens to the 3d position of that element, it is possible that target aliasing is causing you pain.
Also look at the point control list you have. Over any given station interval, if you have more than one point control that affects a given point, you'll have to be careful as to which has precedence and whether that is appropriate.
Nothing else comes to mind at the moment that might solve your problem.
I ask this because there have been times I've seen a profile and the visual representation *looked* continuous, but what really happened is that it jumped forward and backward because there were skips in the constituent member elements. To confirm that it is continuous, look at the actual profile report and take note of the stations throughout.
It is also worth looking at the dynamic cross section, where you should be able to see the target element at that element's profile elevation. See if anything strange happens at the break. If nothing strange happens to the 3d position of that element, it is possible that target aliasing is causing you pain.
Also look at the point control list you have. Over any given station interval, if you have more than one point control that affects a given point, you'll have to be careful as to which has precedence and whether that is appropriate.
Nothing else comes to mind at the moment that might solve your problem.
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[IR Ss4] Horizontal Event Point Dialog box - Abnormal Behavior
I'm using the Event Point dialog box to record centerline elevations at specific locations for additional calculations. I'm adding descriptions to make keeping track easier, but every time you use the "target" button to pick a new location, it clears the description and the style.
So to reduce the amount of typing, I'm copying and pasting prior descriptions and then editing them to change a handful of characters. In the edit process, I can use the backspace key to delete character in one direction, but if I use the delete key to remove characters in the opposite direction, InRoads takes it as I have pressed the Delete button on the dialog box.
It does not matter where the focus is nor even if none of the previous points are selected. The only saving grace is that it asks "Are You Sure?" so I can cancel the inadvertent delete.
One more thing - while the dialog is re-sizable, it only allows making it taller or shorter - not wider. The amount of columns presented really invites a desire to make it wider, but that seems unsupported.
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RE: Site Grading with Power Geopak
Is it different? Yes.
Does it offer all the features of the site modeler? Well, I have not use the site modeler enough lately so I am not the one to comment on that.
Have you watched any of the videos? There are a lot of tools that can help get a site modeled. One thing that takes some getting used to is how you might make a number of terrain models that eventually become the full site. Also, it is important that you define certain feature settings so that the output of process A can be used as input for process B. On the plus side, you can change a Feature Definition's settings and where ever it is used, those changes will refresh the model and you may find a feature that was not acceptable for input is now available.
Does it offer all the features of the site modeler? Well, I have not use the site modeler enough lately so I am not the one to comment on that.
Have you watched any of the videos? There are a lot of tools that can help get a site modeled. One thing that takes some getting used to is how you might make a number of terrain models that eventually become the full site. Also, it is important that you define certain feature settings so that the output of process A can be used as input for process B. On the plus side, you can change a Feature Definition's settings and where ever it is used, those changes will refresh the model and you may find a feature that was not acceptable for input is now available.
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Site Grading with Power Geopak
We have just added our first license of Power Geopak to our office. We are primarily a site civil firm have been using Power Civil for the past 9 years or so as the main workhorse for design and construction document preparation. I realize that the site modler is not part of PG, so I am having a difficult time trying to figure out how to preform detailed site grading in Power Geopak without the site modler.
Any insight/information is greatly appreciated.
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RE: Geopak Roadway Designer - Special Profile not always found, what's up with that?
Derek,
Thanks for the quick reply. I'm working in SS2. The profiles are continuous and I only have one point control in place.
The issues begins near a PRC in the horizontal alignment. One of the curves turns greater than 90 degrees. The profile starts working again where the downstream horizontal curve gets back to 90 degrees or so) from the original curve:
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RE: Geopak Roadway Designer - Special Profile not always found, what's up with that?
Looking at the dynamic cross section, do you see a representation of the target element? In most cases, you'd be looking for a single, 1-pixel dot. Does your target profile belong to the centerline, or a separate alignment? Can you set it as the active profile for the element so that it does show up in your dynamic cross section?
Also, if your profile is complex, not simple, it may be that only one constituent element of the profile is attached to the corridor, not the entire profile that you're expecting it to look for.
I'm now grasping for straws, but I do think that's worth checking into.
Also, if your profile is complex, not simple, it may be that only one constituent element of the profile is attached to the corridor, not the entire profile that you're expecting it to look for.
I'm now grasping for straws, but I do think that's worth checking into.
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Geopak Roadway Designer - Special Profile not always found, what's up with that?
I have a road with special ditch profiles on both sides. The elevation is targeted by style elevation end conditions. Everything looks good until I reach a certain station and the white "cross" disappears and the end conditions can't find the profiles anymore. It happens at the same station on both sides of the road. ~150' feet down the road, the profiles come back.
Looking good here:
2 hundredths down the road and the profile isn't found:
Any suggestions as to what might be going on?
Thanks,
Andrew
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RE: [OR/IR Ss4] Drafting Notes - Plan Note not honoring {VERTICAL_ELEVATION} Computed Value
Follow-Up information. On one PC, it was using the settings of the notes settings but on another, it was grabbing portions of the alignment settings. But the text was defaulting to one of the geometric tolerance fonts which does not appear to be part of the alignment settings.
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[OR/IR Ss4] Drafting Notes - Plan Note not honoring {VERTICAL_ELEVATION} Computed Value
When I tried to place a drafting note using the subject settings, the result is only placing a note with the raw text and not evaluating the appropriate value.
Is this a known defect?
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First associated point not found
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Am trying to offset string from reference string am getting this error.
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Drape elements on terrain
Is there a tool how to Drape DGN elements (cells, text, lines, curves) to terrain model. The Drape Surface tool in Inroads worked great but there seems to be no alternative for Terrain models. Stencil tool drop elements and doesn't work as expected, Descartes STM drape also doesn't work with all elements.
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RE: CIVIL_XIN_FILE configuration
For InRoads and Power Civil users, this is still set in File>Project Defaults>Preferences (*.XIN). The value set there is then set for the CIVIL_XIN_FILE variable at the user level.
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