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RE: IR_SS2 How do I get a template to run when I don't have (don't need) a proposed profile?

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Can you not define a corridor to run along a DTM Feature?

Sorry if this capability only exists in the InRoads version. We could do that, or run a template along the feature directly using the design surface toolbox. A corridor was preferable as it offered the ability to edit some contributing portion of the corridor (template, point control, start and/or stop station) and reprocess.

RE: IR_SS2 How do I get a template to run when I don't have (don't need) a proposed profile?

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The existing profile generally comes from creating a profile from a surface. This is automatically done for any surface that you've specified as the active terrain. (To do this, use the button Set Active Terrain in the terrain model tools. As is true for so many other things we can do, there are other ways to set active terrain, but this is the simplest to communicate.) When you specify an active terrain, your active terrain surface shows up with all profiles. (In case you have reasons to set some other surface as active, you can always create a profile from any surface using other tools.)

Once you have the profile from the appropriate surface, you'll probably want to set that profile as active.

Your template will need to have one null point X-CL representing the CL (I assume this is the way you want to go), and place that one at 0,0 within the template editor. Add another null point X-ES-horizontal at, say, 22' to the right of the CL, also at 0 elevation. This particular point should be set to look for a specific feature definition (in my workflow, I have it look for the feature definition X-ES or something). Now add another point X-ES-surface: the horizontal will be locked to X-ES-horizontal. Ignore the vertical for the moment.

Once you have these three points, add an end condition component which starts at X-ES-horizontal and ending at X-ES-surface. Make sure it's looking for the appropriate surface. There may be other settings to look at and toggle, but for the most part, I think this will get you in the right direction.

When you create your corridor, make it based on the CL (if you're using the workflow I'm assuming), use the active profile (probably), and attach the edges of shoulder that you've traced.

As for the matter of feature definitions, your client or your state's roadway design office may have a workspace all set up, which will include feature definitions that you'll need. I won't guarantee that it will be foolproof. You may need to make tweaks for your project. You won't necessarily need to have a different feature definition for each ES. And it's unlikely that (for these purposes) you would even need a feature definition for the left ES and the right ES.

I hope that helps.

I'll be the first to agree with you that written documentation is abysmal and the notion that video documentation is effective is ridiculous. (Just like you can't grep dead trees, you also can't grep video; and even if you find the video you're looking for, skipping around that video leaves you open to missing important context.) I've been complaining about this ever since I started working with OpenRoads about 2 years ago. Be that as it may, there are some videos I've gotten really good information from. If I can find one that might help on this, I'll try to remember to post it here.

RE: [OR CR] Make Corridor Editing as easy at is was in Roadway Designer (and More...)

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"And having them highlight in plan and profile while selected in the control dialog box also helped you recall or figure out the possible reason for a control."

Oh, man. I so wish we had this.

Comment on documentation: Dynamic Cross Section View is Blank

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In the article Dynamic Cross Section View is Blank, the first solution is destructive, because (at this time, using SS4 .878) not only does it destroy the cross section views but it also reverts all views to the default model.

The second solution could be part of the troubleshooting process when something's missing, but unlikely when the entire cross section is blank.

Another solution--not destructive at all--is to check whether the dynamic cross section view has the active file's own 3D model even attached. You may want to add this solution to the article.

RE: OpenRoads Annotate Cross Sections

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I too noticed that the XS_TL_CL feature had Create Template Geometry set to false, so I adjusted it to true and tried again. After I did that and synchronized my templates and processed the corridor, it worked. But, I tried to run the cross sections again as i had changed some areas, and now it doesn't work again. I checked the feature and it is still set to True. And like you mentioned, the EOS was set to false and it is still working, so it doesn't look like that does anything.

I'm not sure what you mean by are my CL points construction or primary. The point in the template is using the feature definition of XS_TL_CL. I browsed through that definition and there is nothing about the class. I'm not sure what to check beyond that.

Until I get any other information, I will go back to trial and error to see what works. Hopefully I can get something to work again.

RE: OpenRoads Annotate Cross Sections

Documentation correction: End Condition Rules

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In the article End Condition Rules, item 3 says "Priority is only considered for end conditions attached to the same point."

Let's say I have the usual cut and fill end conditions running off of my ES and another end condition running off of, say, the EP. The usual end conditions on the ES have priorities of 10 and 20. If the EP's end condition has a priority of 9 or less, it will be solved before either of the ES's end conditions; if it has a priority of 11-19, it will be solved before one but not the other; if it has a priority of 21+, it will be solved only after the ES's end conditions.

This becomes relevant when the EP's end condition depends on the ES's end condition solutions, or vice versa.

Perhaps this specific scenario isn't realistic, but surely the point gets across, and it is most definitely relevant in complex end-condition scenarios.

RE: OpenRoads ConceptStation - Editing superelevation

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Currently there is no way to edit the super rates.  Below is a clip from the help file explaining what is being calculated:

When placing and modifying a road, superelevation is automatically calculated using AASTHO method 5, based on the road design speed.

When the design speed is <= 80km/h, the software uses the 6% table. The 8% table is used when the design speed is greater than 80km/h.

When the design speed is <= 45mph, the software uses the 6% table. The 8% table is used when the design speed is greater than 45mph.


OpenRoads ConceptStation - Editing superelevation

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Hello,

Is there a way to edit the maximum superelevation in ConceptStation? It is nice that the superelevation is applied automatically, but the cross sections are showing an 8% super when typically 4% is used on my project. Also, only the outside lanes are supered, but I need all the lanes to be supered. I haven't seen anything in the settings related to this.

Thanks,

Andi

RE: OpenRoads Annotate Cross Sections

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This is what I mean when I say that XS_Label Point Indicator has both Construction and Primary. It may solve your problem if you right-click Classes[0] and remove that line. I think it's worth a shot.

RE: OpenRoads Annotate Cross Sections

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I tried to remove the classes and it didn't change. I'm wondering if it is something with the template, although I can't think what it would be.

RE: IR_SS2 How do I get a template to run when I don't have (don't need) a proposed profile?

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Between this post and a chat with one guy in WV, I am able to do what I need. I had to save a profile from Surface. I had to create features by draping elements onto my existing surface. Once I had those features in my surface, I was able to Point Control the whole thing, horizontally and vertically.
Our DOT has a decent looking library of features, but it's only offered as an option (not a requirement). As it is, our Survey doesn't come populated with those features. The information is all in the DTM/Surface but it's not broken out into discreet elements. Don't ask me how it all happens - they give me a file and I don't question the magic...
I'm still not sure I'm using this the right way, but at the moment I'm getting the results I need.

Thank you, thank you!

RE: Vertical Alignment elevations shown in Cross Section (Inroads)

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Kenneth, ...my quick answer ... oddly enough, Geometry doesn't really make it way to the Cross Sections directly. During modeling the H & V alignment morphs into the centerline breakline which can be annotated on the Cross Sections. Or, lacking that, you'll have to pull the H & V into the Surface as a breakline, Update your Cross Sections, and annotate that point. (Speaking from an InRoads SS2 perspective.)

RE: [OR] Bug: Strange snap behavior in profile

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I was able to reproduce from the steps provided, and logged it as defect 634642.

RE: Vertical Alignment elevations shown in Cross Section (Inroads)

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In SS2, I believe you can annotate the elevation point in the cross-section annotation area.

Sometimes you have to a display crossing features first, exit the cross-section tool, then access the cross-section annotation and then annotate the cross-features of the centerline.

HTH,

Vertical Alignment elevations shown in Cross Section (Inroads)

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Can anyone tell me how I can get my vertical alignment elevation to show up in my cross sections?

RE: IR_SS2 How do I get a template to run when I don't have (don't need) a proposed profile?

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The sense I have of what you're trying to do is actually a topic in this video (yes, video) whose major topic is actually about processing speed. At about 2 minutes into the video is where it starts talking about something that might help you. In case it doesn't help with InRoads tools, it might be enlightening for OpenRoads work in the future.

www.youtube.com/watch

As he talks, he demonstrates more or less how I would approach this. He starts doing so at about 4 minutes in: www.youtube.com/watch

He's finished talking about this sort of scenario by a little after 5 minutes in.

RE: Existing Survey Features in ITL File

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For the meantime we ended up adding z_ to the front of them so they are at least at the bottom of the list.

Existing Survey Features in ITL File

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Is there a way to not have survey features show up in the ITL file as a feature?  This causes a lot of unnecessary clutter when trying to select a feature in a template.

RE: can't import a file

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Hi

Can you attach the dataset to the post please and I'll have a look at it for you.

Thanks

Simon Pegg
Bentley Civil Support Manager
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